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I myself have visited a couple apparition sites that proved to be false. In regards to judging authenticity when it comes to mystics and visionaries, obedience is the litmus test of the Church. An exclusive, or even a predominant attention to these matters (especially apocalyptic ones), cannot help but produce an unbalanced spirituality.. he knows the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church so its easier for man not to go to church..or where the true spirit of god is calling us back to true worship. Heres the site: http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/home/. One would wonder which truth of the Catholic Faith bothers him.. Would you please cite the reference for your information on Mother Teresa? Lord have mercy. This is a great test of humility. You choose to twist and squirm and find excuses so theres no point in continuing this with you. Veo que tienes un link para EWTN en su sitio primeraluz.org. Finally, by end of 2014, the world will know the truth about a great many things and will recognize that the Holy Love apparitions are in fact authentic. For the record, I have not deleted anyones comments. It was a no show for the Blessed Mother. lets remember st joan of arc.please read and read about her she was absolutly right and the good dominican priest and the the english bishop/s treated her shamefully while captive. On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but they are not Catholic. I do believe the current administration is a judgment of sorts on us. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. It embraces all the other Chambers of Our United Hearts. He is talking about the symbolic sixth chamber of the United Hearts. Thanks Kevin. This Mission stands for the truth of the gospel message of love. Catechesis in the American Church are heretical and distorted. The Bishops decree against the In Scripture, Jesus tells us that the Father and Him are one. You are very misinformed if you think that one needs to be under the local ordinary to share the Truth of God. Que Dios te bendiga. In absolutely no instance will you find calls to disobey the Church or Church leaders, or words that ask for adherence to a particular apparition site. If the local bishop, after investigating, finds nothing supernatural, he will issue a decree of constat de non supernaturalitate(the supernatural is not established) to help warn and protect the faithful. (Summa Theologica 11-11Q.104). (Fr. Este sitio tambien tiene articulos del famoso Padre Fortea, exorcista en espana. It is so sound. The question now is, will those that were enthralled with this Shrine, accept Church authority or continue to follow a ministry that has officially been condemned? The apparitions are real. Thats what were all talking about here. And so we should never agree to wearing this Angel Chip. He backed down. His disapproval of HLM does not nullify HLMs veracity. Who is to be obedient in this case? NO legitimate apparition in the history of the Catholic Church has EVER told/ordered/directed someone to go outside of the authority of the Church in order to make itself known. Heres a good article from the the Catholic Herald in the U.K. about Marian apparitions and disobedience. That is not to say that they obeyed any superiors request to stop preaching the Truth. You also are so obsessed with Church law that you are missing what the Church is suffering.. Again, I learned this from Aquinas, The Church is where the true Faith is. Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. He too admonished people to stay away from it. Also, check out Hildebran on the same topic. Thomas Aquinas told them all on 11/17/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): The decree set forth by your bishop concerning participation in this Mission here was presented as though it carried with it the charge of blind obedience. This Page runs by volunteer MSHLs in order to spread the messages from the Heaven that given to a vi Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH Souls are lost because we do not pray for them, we do not offer ourselves in union with Jesus so that we can through our union with Jesus win the grace these souls need to turn to God. "If the soul accepts the grace of conversion and, with a repentant heart passes through the Doorway of Divine Mercy, he finds himself in the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin, therein to prosper in holiness." "The Sacred Heart of Jesus mourns the loss of those souls who, through the compromise of Truth, reject God's Mercy and return to the world." Makes it look like it is genuine itself. This is so sad that people run after these private revelations that bring some notoriety to a person in need, while the Fatima message is no longer preached. Joan of Arc told them all on 11/17/12: Much private revelation which is worthy and poignant to these harrowing times is being subdued by erroneous even rash judgments.Such is the case here in this Mission which I have come to defend., 3221 believes that Jesus told them all on 10/14/12: I have come to ask your total detachment from the opinions of others. Our free will gives us the power to allow grace to flow into us THROUGH Mary, or prevent that grace from flowing into us THROUGH Mary. I do not think in those terms, and so my use of the word was totally innocent.. It is not a condemnation. 6/29/93 from Our Lady: Forgive everything and you will not be in error. This is contrary to our faith. You are judging that my heart is hardened. Stay away so you not fall into a deep personal devotion and love for Blessed Mother and and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The whole place is deceptive. If anything, HLM has brought me to a deeper understanding of the ancient truths of my Faith. The Church is not a democracy; the Bishop doesnt owe you an explanation. You are too funny 3221! I figured that someone who made such a claim above (Mr/Ms 3221) would know! Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith, and this is in opposition to what continues to happenor rather not happenin most Catholic dioceses of the United States. If there is state it SPECIFICALLY, okay???? The door to the soul IS free will because it is through our free choice (free will) that we CHOOSE either God or sin. And thats just the very recent stuff. and I quote:no other messages are needed because our message envelops all the other messages God chose 12 men as disciples later to become priests. reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating, https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/, The Real Marie Antoinette | feat. I still have to read a message from Holy Love that is against church teaching. Or, is this something that happened in the past? I think you are proving the point. Its coming through loud and clear that you are so attached to this particular so-called apparition site, that you are placing it and your own judgement above Holy Mother Church, and therefore have placed your soul in danger. I come from Boston where the Church refused to be transparent with us on child sex abuse. We cannot say that of Bishop Lennons canonical record, now can we? The stronger devils can even pronounce holy names such as Jesus and Mary and encourage devotions in order to later twist them to suit their purpose. God bless. To commit Mortal sin, we enumerated those 3 things has to be present. Holy Love messages do not even have the facts about human anatomy correct. Because it was personal though, I translated it into my already laid out plan for my life. That is why we have the Church, so that we dont get led astray by what looks good on the surface. The full teachings of the our beautiful Faith are so often NOT being taught at all. That I do not accept your derision of HLM? And hope for the help of Our Blessed Mother And her son Jesus. Be careful of what you so cynically dismiss. There are four chambers in the human heart. This in an age when the authentic doctrine of the Catholic Church is slowly dying out, when two generations of Catholics have been deprived of the true doctrine and knowledge that is the Revelation of the Word of God, our Savior Jesus Christ. I think the Decree speaks for itself and there is no need to elaborate upon this matter. Please join us there, if you havent already. And by setting themselves against His church, visionaries and their followers who knowingly disobey a authoritative and binding judgement of their Bishop willfully separate themselves from the Catholic church. Bishop Lennon is not infallible and ruled in error on these apparitions. btw, for those who are interested in Glenns article Private Revelations and Obedience to the Catholic Church here is the link: Does anyone really expect a well-minded, faithful Catholic to accept HLM upon such a foundation? Very interesting. There the Church acted definitely and swiftly because it was clear it was satanic. Kind of frightening. Anyone who goes to HLM is not disobedient. (4) There is no peace, save in the grace of My Heart. thomas stated 20 yrs before he was beheaded that the king would have his ,thomashead if thomas interferred with the king. Call it the Holy Spirit or my Guardian Angel, but I dont think this is a true Catholic organization. No,Harry, I do not need to dig for dirt, the dirt is obvious for all to see. The above is justification enough for Lennon to issue his Decree as Sweeney-Kyle preaches a different Gospel. in favor of a humanistic gospel with no sense of the supernatural. I am curious to know where Bishop Lennon stands on defending our treasured Faith. (cf CCC 1464, 1468, 736, 1832, Galatians 5:22-23 Vulgate). Very interesting; Id like to visit it someday since its relatively close to me. This idea exalts claimed private revelation as if it were necessary not only for the plan of God, but for the Return of Jesus. against abortion.". Read: sometimes it could do grave harm to someones reputation. Hildebrand says,If there are only a few persons who belileve the true Faith, they are the Church. (Catholic Apologetics). According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons. Hope that helps. Were talking about disobedience as it pertains to the laity who go to Holy Love after the Bishop has condemned and admonished the faithful to cease visiting the place. (2)Forgive everything. Holy Love Ministries claims that Our Lady gave this message to Maureen Sweeney Kyle on July 2, 2001: "I see you are using the new Rosary of the Unborn. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. No one is bound by obedience to follow a bishops advisement. No. There is absolutely no reason to invest yourself in questionable devotions. I take my hat off to you! However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. Bishops have upheld heresy. If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. Eventually Rome took his authority away and a special commission was given the task of evaluating Medjugorie. and now you cannot even keep your own argument in order. It doesnt matter what I may or may not want to point out from the decades of messages. 2. Most young people do not really understand the supernatural dimension of Catholicism. It is naive and foolish to assume something so shallow as to call one bishops discernment the Voice of the Church itself.. Bishop Zanic, local bishop of Mejugorie, disapproved of that apparition, and the Vatican disregarded his discernmemt completely and instead handed over the decision to a committee. It can lead to a crisis in faith instead of the reverse. According toThe Morning Journalnewspaper of Ohio, Bishop Lennons decree was issued Nov. 11, 2009: Having been directed by the Holy See (in Rome) to act definitively in the matter of the alleged apparitions and having reviewed the theological content of the alleged apparitions to Maureen Sweeney-Kyle and having consulted an expert in this matter, I declare that the alleged apparitions and locations are not supernatural in origin. Lennons decree states he forbid members of the clergy of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction to celebrate the sacraments on the site of Holy Love Ministries. Even though the messages, purportedly from Jesus and Mary, encourage Catholic devotions, they have declared that this ministry is ecumenical and therefore, does not have to answer to Catholic authority. I am writing again about Holy Love because some followers contacted me regarding my article of 11/20/09 (reproduced below), Proclamation on Holy Love Will Test Hearts and Obedience. Iused to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. Using the language that he did has nothing to do with modern times; it has to do with what is canonical limitations are. It did not. The only reference you cited is your book. I understand the attraction, but Im not understanding that people are rejecting Church authority and facts. I refer you to what I just shared with Elizabeth. As much as I do not care for Bishop Lennon ( I am from Boston), the fact that since these apparitions she has divorced and remarried ( have not heard about any annulment) and now goes against this Bishop, is a sure sign to stay away from this ministry. There is a specific procedure in canonical law for official condemnation. Read the Decree here: http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/news/2009/Holy%20Love%20-%20Decree%20in%20English%20-%202009-11-11.pdf. The problem is that I get the point only too well. The above is more about emotions and passions run amock than the practicing of Divine/Catholic Faith (to say nothing of Reason). An excellent website in which a Catholic theologian evaluates Marian apparitions is catholicplanet.com/apparitions. I begin to see much more clearly the pernicious vice that has heretofore arisen in this discussion. No one is asking you to accept and believe in HLM. I cant and because of this I will continue to pray the Rosary, spread it, follow the messages, go to Mass, go to confession and adoration as much as I can. Fruits is more relative to the interior life of virtue, as St. Teresa of Avila teaches in her The Interior Castle (Sixth Mansion). To Tom D: I too went to Conyers, GA as well as Kettle River and stopped by Necadah, WI once when I noticed a large billboard advertising a Marion Shrine. The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, always looks below the surface because all that glitters isnt gold and regardless of how many people visit or how many statues are erected or rosaries said, it does not constitute proof. If Rome asked this bishop to send a report and based upon his observations, this is not a true apparition site, best to obey. Would you be equally perplexed if Pope Benedict XVI announced tonight that for the good of souls, Catholics are not allowed to visit Holy Love? You should fear anyone who will not acknowledge their errors especially if they hold persuasion over many hearts. Especially when his expert remains unnamed and he will not speak about the specifics of his serious concerns? Find me one misleading thing in any of her messages she has written that shows the Devil is trying to win over people and take them out and away from the church. Yes, all are encouraged to pray it and I know an Episcopalian minister who used to pray it, to her credit; but, it is a Catholic prayer. There are some seventy references to conscience in the Catechism and none of them affirm the primacy of the conscience, but repeatedly state that an authentic conscience is one that has been submitted to God, to the Gospel, and to the truth. Of course Our Lady needs our prayers. Rather than allow such disappointment to derail them, they can instead take a big step closer to God. We consecrate ourselves to God. I used to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. Proves the point that HLM doesnt have a claim. You want transparency? Give me some more points. First of all, Jesus DOES DEPEND on us to help Him save the world. I gave her the spring water and almost right away she became pregnant, Then just about two years ago went to the new place with my daughter. How is it possible, if HLM is an ecumenical group, to teach CATHOLIC doctrine and not be under the local Ordinary? There is no error in what is coming out of HLM. I do not often agree with Ron Conte over on Catholic Planet, but he does have a reference page on his site concerning Maureen Sweeney-Kyle and HLM. Also, what you interpreted about those messages shows that your thinking is clearly boggled. All grace flows through Marys Heart because (as was said above) she is the Mediatrix of all graces. We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. Even the messages contradict themselves! I now know to actively discern these things and what to look for. And they are, so they have mortal sin in their body and soul. The shrine is on one hundred-plus acres of land, adorned with beautiful statues of Mary, Jesus and many of the saints. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. At Holy Love Ministries, it is reported that Jesus sometimes comes with Mary during her apparitions. I do not come for My welfare but for your own. Allow God to unfold the truthHis full Truth. Using your logic Joan was wrong for not denying her voices. This morning I was reading about the first Marian apparition in the U.S. approved by the Church. In 2005 an article in The Plain Dealer newspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry: The ministry was formed around 1986, meeting in homes of followers or a few welcoming churches. it does not mean not heeding a warning from a bishop. The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. When others disapprove of your participation here, remember Heaven approves. The logic is the same. If He wanted women priests, then wouldnt Mother Mary be the first priestess? 80% of Catholics today do not understand Who the Holy Eucharist is.

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